Monday, October 15, 2007

Chapter Twenty-nine, Part Two

Originally published 10/29/2006.

Continued from last post.

When the ladies returned to the drawing-room, there was little to be done but to hear Lady Catherine talk, which she did without any intermission till coffee came in, delivering her opinion on every subject in so decisive a manner, as proved that she was not used to have her judgement controverted. She inquired into Charlotte's domestic concerns familiarly and minutely, gave her a great deal of advice as to the management of them all; told her how everything ought to be regulated in so small a family as hers, and instructed her as to the care of her cows and her poultry. Elizabeth found that nothing was beneath this great lady's attention, which could furnish her with an occasion of dictating to others...

Perhaps the reader recalls the terms "dictatorial and insolent." Truly great men and women do not do this. This is really a sign of Lady Catherine's insecurity. Naturally, it is easy to dictate matters to underlings when they are small matters. For while no matter should be beneath a person's attention as regards his own business, when it comes to the matters of others, very few matters should he even begin to "talk of giving a hint" of advice.

...In the intervals of her discourse with Mrs. Collins, she addressed a variety of questions to Maria and Elizabeth, but especially to the latter, of whose connections she knew the least, and who she observed to Mrs. Collins was a very genteel, pretty kind of girl. She asked her, at different times, how many sisters she had, whether they were older or younger than herself, whether any of them were likely to be married, whether they were handsome, where they had been educated, what carriage her father kept, and what had been her mother's maiden name? Elizabeth felt all the impertinence of her questions...

At first I was wondering why Lizzy thought them impertinent, because surely the first two or three are perfectly acceptable. However, starting with "likely to be married," Lady Catherine is on impertinent ground. I imagine Lady Catherine would not have wanted such questions posed to her. A simple application of the Golden Rule would have sufficed to avoid this extreme.

...but answered them very composedly. Lady Catherine then observed,

"Your father's estate is entailed on Mr. Collins, I think. For your sake," turning to Charlotte, "I am glad of it; but otherwise I see no occasion for entailing estates from the female line. It was not thought necessary in Sir Lewis de Bourgh's family. Do you play and sing, Miss Bennet?"

"A little."

Lizzy here. Question: do you suppose Austen means for most of the subsequent questions to be assigned the label of "impertinent?" From the general tenor, I would conclude so.

"Oh! then-- some time or other we shall be happy to hear you. Our instrument is a capital one, probably superior to---- You shall try it some day. Do your sisters play and sing?"

Lady Catherine.

"One of them does."

Lizzy here. Well, we know that Mary plays and sings - in a manner of speaking.

"Why did not you all learn? You ought all to have learned. The Miss Webbs all play, and their father has not so good an income as yours...

Lady Catherine. And here we can see more clearly the impertinence of some of the latter questions such as the one about Mr. Bennet's carriage: they are designed to ascertain what Mr. Bennet's income is. In modern ideas, it is definitely considered impertinent to ask someone how much they earn. If the income is an average one, I suppose it isn't volunteering too much, in the right context, to tell others how much you earn, but generally it is not polite to ask it.

...Do you draw?"

"No, not at all."


"What, none of you?"

Lady Catherine.

"Not one."


"That is very strange. But I suppose you had no opportunity. Your mother should have taken you to town every spring for the benefit of masters."

Lady Catherine.

"My mother would have had no objection, but my father hates London."

Lizzy here. It is hardly surprising that Mr. Bennet's book-loving nature would abhore the noise of the big city.

"Has your governess left you?"

Lady Catherine here. This question is understandable in Lady Catherine's context, because, though she is impertinent, she is attempting to find out why Lizzy does not draw.

"We never had any governess."


"No governess! How was that possible? Five daughters brought up at home without a governess! I never heard of such a thing. Your mother must have been quite a slave to your education."

Lady Catherine.

Elizabeth could hardly help smiling as she assured her that had not been the case.

"Then, who taught you? who attended to you? Without a governess, you must have been neglected."

Lady Catherine with a highly unwarranted assumption. While it is true that in today's technological society, it is in some ways easier to spend more time on education, surely even back in Austen's day, parents could have raised their children directly without a governess.

"Compared with some families, I believe we were; but such of us as wished to learn never wanted the means. We were always encouraged to read,...

By Mr. Bennet. I do not think Mrs. Bennet was terribly encouraging in that regard.

...and had all the masters that were necessary. Those who chose to be idle, certainly might."

Lizzy. So the modern concept of "unschooling" was alive and kicking even back in Austen's day. I do not imagine Austen is attempting to glorify such a mode of education; indeed, two out of five is not a terribly good track record.

"Aye, no doubt; but that is what a governess will prevent, and if I had known your mother, I should have advised her most strenuously to engage one. I always say that nothing is to be done in education without steady and regular instruction, and nobody but a governess can give it...

First thought true, second false. Steady and regular instruction is important, but parents most certainly can give such.

...It is wonderful how many families I have been the means of supplying in that way...

What humility!! And of course, Lady Catherine did this all on her own with no help whatsoever. Even God had nothing to do with it!! Right.

...I am always glad to get a young person well placed out. Four nieces of Mrs. Jenkinson are most delightfully situated through my means; and it was but the other day that I recommended another young person, who was merely accidentally mentioned to me, and the family are quite delighted with her. Mrs. Collins, did I tell you of Lady Metcalf's calling yesterday to thank me? She finds Miss Pope a treasure. 'Lady Catherine,' said she, 'you have given me a treasure.' Are any of your younger sisters out, Miss Bennet?"

As Hugo wrote in Les Miserables, "Coarse natures have this in common with artless natures, that they have no transitions." Lady Catherine changes the subject rather abruptly, it seems to me. Although, it may be that Lady Catherine is thinking maybe she could place Lizzy's sisters as a governess. On the other hand, that might not be likely for daughters of a gentleman.

"Yes, ma'am, all."


"All! What, all five out at once? Very odd! And you only the second. The younger ones out before the elder ones are married! Your younger sisters must be very young?"

Lady Catherine.

"Yes, my youngest is not sixteen. Perhaps she is full young to be much in company. But really, ma'am, I think it would be very hard upon younger sisters, that they should not have their share of society and amusement, because the elder may not have the means or inclination to marry early. The last-born has as good a right to the pleasures of youth at the first. And to be kept back on such a motive! I think it would not be very likely to promote sisterly affection or delicacy of mind."

Lizzy here, certainly no more impertinent than Lady Catherine.

"Upon my word," said her ladyship, "you give your opinion very decidedly for so young a person...

And Lady Catherine doesn't give her opinion very decidedly? The irony is rather remarkable.

...Pray, what is your age?"

An extremely impertinent question nowadays. Lizzy's answer seems to indicate the same held true in Austen's day, although I imagine the reason is different, perhaps even opposite. Today it is impolite unless the lady is young. It is impolite to ask an older lady her age, because it reminds her of the "horrors of old age." Back then, it was probably more impertinent to ask a young woman her age, because wisdom was associated with age.

"With three younger sisters grown up," replied Elizabeth, smiling, "your ladyship can hardly expect me to own it."

I've always wondered at this: why should having three younger sisters be a reason why Lizzy shouldn't directly answer Lady Catherine? Reader input would be appreciated here, please! Maybe I already answered it above with the "not wanting to be thought young" idea. The modern equivalent might be, "With three children all grown up, your ladyship can hardly expect me to own it."

Lady Catherine seemed quite astonished at not receiving a direct answer; and Elizabeth suspected herself to be the first creature who had ever dared to trifle with so much dignified impertinence.

This last statement was puzzling to me until I realized it was written from Lizzy's perspective: Lady Catherine is the dignified impertinence.

"You cannot be more than twenty, I am sure, therefore you need not conceal your age."

Lady Catherine. Read input again, please: why should not being more than twenty be a reason not to conceal her age?

"I am not one-and-twenty."

Lizzy here with about as indirect an answer as she can muster.

When the gentlemen had joined them, and tea was over, the card-tables were placed. Lady Catherine, Sir William, and Mr. and Mrs. Collins sat down to quadrille; and as Miss de Bourgh chose to play at cassino, the two girls had the honour of assisting Mrs. Jenkinson to make up her party. Their table was superlatively stupid...

A rare direct moment for Austen.

...Scarcely a syllable was uttered that did not relate to the game, except when Mrs. Jenkinson expressed her fears of Miss de Bourgh's being too hot or too cold, or having too much or too little light...

Clearly, Austen does not think that playing cards merely for the sake of playing cards is a terribly intelligent thing to do. Austen thinks cards are really about conversation.

...A great deal more passed at the other table. Lady Catherine was generally speaking--...

Of course.

...stating the mistakes of the three others, or relating some anecdote of herself. Mr. Collins was employed in agreeing to everything her ladyship said, thanking her for every fish he won, and apologising if he thought he won too many. Sir William did not say much. He was storing his memory with anecdotes and noble names.

When Lady Catherine and her daughter had played as long as they chose, the tables were broken up, the carriage was offered to Mrs. Collins, gratefully accepted and immediately ordered. The party then gathered round the fire to hear Lady Catherine determine what weather they were to have on the morrow...

What manner of woman is this? Even the winds and waves obey her voice!

...From these instructions they were summoned by the arrival of the coach; and with many speeches of thankfulness on Mr. Collins's side and as many bows on Sir William's they departed. As soon as they had driven from the door, Elizabeth was called on by her cousin to give her opinion of all that she had seen at Rosings, which, for Charlotte's sake, she made more favourable than it really was...

It really was awful, with not a sensible sentence uttered by anyone except Charlotte. I put to you the question, though: should Lizzy have made the impression more favorable than it was? I think white lies are still lies. In this situation, I would have found what I could praise (there is always something, because every human being is made in God's image), and left out the majority of things that I couldn't.

...But her commendation, though costing her some trouble, could by no means satisfy Mr. Collins, and he was very soon obliged to take her ladyship's praise into his own hands.

I like the wording of that last sentence: very comical indeed.


At November 02, 2006 12:06 PM, Blogger Susan said...

Lady Catherine: the first recorded anti-homeschooler. Hehe. Really her response to Lizzy's information that they had no governess is rather like so many who think homeschooling a bad option :). And interesting observation on your part with regards to early strides in "unschooling." Yeah. . . that is an *ahem* "interesting" method of education.

I think Lizzy's reply to Lady Catherine's age query seems not to support your theory on it being more impertinent, during that time period, to ask a young lady. Her reply "with three younger sisters grown up. . . " is, in my estimation, her way of saying that she is "too old" to be asked that question. And then further on, when Lady Catherine gives the fact that she "cannot be more than twenty" as a reason not to conceal her age, once again, the indication is that really young women did not mind revealing their ages, while "older women" kept them hidden, much like in today's society.

I agree that white lies are still lies. Certainly there was plenty grand enough to praise, and enough real truth upon which to expound, that exaggerating was unnecessary. Every cloud has a silver lining, and Lizzy, I'm sure, could have found and discussed that.

At November 03, 2006 9:49 PM, Blogger Susan said...

Blogger is weird. It's still not showing this comment(?). I think it's because it did not act normal when it loaded it. Anyway, just seeing if this will bump it to show.

At November 05, 2006 6:59 PM, Blogger Adrian C. Keister said...

Don't you think you should have put "education" in quotes? ;-)]

I think you've convinced me that my theory about being asked your age is wrong. Those seem good reasons for your view, so I'll go along with that. Thanks for your input!

In Christ.

At November 06, 2006 9:36 PM, Blogger Susan said...

Hehe. Yes, I should have said that is an *ahem* "interesting" method of "education." ;)

You're quite welcome for my input on the age theory :).

Would it be agreeable to you to TIOC?


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